PROOF: NASA Implicated in Global Warming Cover-Up
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PROOF: NASA Implicated in Global Warming Cover-Up
What many of us have always known; Global warming is a big steaming pile of bullshit.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/20/possible-conspiracy-misreport-temperatures-found-media-mum
And 30,000 scientists (more than 10,000 of which are PhD's) agree that most of what we know about Global Warming involves pseudo science and distortion:
http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/23387/30000_Scientists_Sign_Petition_on_Global_Warming.html
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/20/possible-conspiracy-misreport-temperatures-found-media-mum
E-mail messages between high-ranking scientists appear to indicate a conspiracy by some of the world's leading global warming alarmists to falsify temperature data in order to exaggerate global averages.
Those involved allegedly include: James Hansen, Director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies; Michael Mann, famous for Mann's "Hockey Stick"; Gavin Schmidt, NASA climate modeler, and; Stephen Schneider, Stanford professor and Al Gore confidant.
A statement released Friday by the alarmist website RealClimate has confirmed that e-mail servers at the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU) in Norwich, England, were hacked recently with contents illegally made available over the Internet.
Although the authenticity of all these e-mail messages has yet to be proven, what's currently available points to a coordinated attempt to manipulate climate data by those directly involved in advancing the theory of anthropogenic global warming.
New Zealand's Investigate magazine reported Friday that it has verified these e-mail messages are indeed real:The director of Britain's leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazine's TGIF Edition tonight that his organization has been hacked, and the data flying all over the internet appears to be genuine.
In an exclusive interview, Jones told TGIF, "It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails."
The BBC.com filed this report moments ago:A university spokesman confirmed the email system had been hacked and that information was taken and published without permission.
An investigation was underway and the police had been informed, he added.
"We are aware that information from a server used for research information in one area of the university has been made available on public websites," the spokesman stated.
And 30,000 scientists (more than 10,000 of which are PhD's) agree that most of what we know about Global Warming involves pseudo science and distortion:
http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/23387/30000_Scientists_Sign_Petition_on_Global_Warming.html
The claim that the debate about the severity and cause of global warming is "settled science" has taken a beating with the release of the names of 31,072 American scientists who reject the assertion that global warming has reached a crisis stage and is caused by human activity.
"No such consensus or settled science exists," Arthur Robinson, founder and president of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM), told a press conference May 19 at the National Press Club in Washington, DC. "As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject" the hypothesis of human-caused global warming.
The institute, a non-profit research organization, first published the names and credentials of about 17,000 scientists in 2001. The current list of 31,072 Americans with college degrees in science includes 9,021 with Ph.D. degrees in various scientific fields.
Robinson said, "The very large number of petition signers demonstrates that if there is a consensus among American scientists, it is in opposition to the human-caused global warming hypothesis rather than in favor of it."
Added Joseph Bast, president of The Heartland Institute and publisher of Environment & Climate News, "Claims by partisan and extremist organizations such as Greenpeace, the Natural Resources Defense Council, and the Union of Concerned Scientists that their views represent the 'consensus' never should have been taken seriously.
"They are not scientific organizations, and in fact they have long records of misrepresenting science to achieve political objectives," Bast said. "This should go down as yet another case in which they were caught lying about science."[size=16]
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Hmmmm.
I'm pretty sure global warming is a fact.
I'm pretty sure global warming is a fact.

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But I was not aware there were 30,000 scientists out there that challenge the government's position on it.

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Lucious wrote:But I was not aware there were 30,000 scientists out there that challenge the government's position on it.
That's because the mainstream media is either complicit in our mass influence (for the benefit of a few) or else they are simply derelict in their duties to report on such things.
Turn on MSNBC, and global warming as a result of pollution is essentially a foregone conclusion. No voice of dissent.
According to Al Gore, when he is questioned on the fact that some do not believe his conclusions, his response is "yeah, and some people believe in Santa Claus.
SO if you doubt the government, you are a nut, according to Al Gore.
FUCK AL GORE.
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Well, here it is folks:
THE MOTHER LODE!
These are the documents that were downloaded from the computers of the scientists.
There is NO WAY this can possibly be fake... it would take MONTHS to fabricate this, if you had 20 people working 8 hours a day...
rapidshare.com FOI2009.zip
THE MOTHER LODE!
These are the documents that were downloaded from the computers of the scientists.
There is NO WAY this can possibly be fake... it would take MONTHS to fabricate this, if you had 20 people working 8 hours a day...
rapidshare.com FOI2009.zip
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J.B. wrote:Well, here it is folks:
THE MOTHER LODE!
These are the documents that were downloaded from the computers of the scientists.
There is NO WAY this can possibly be fake... it would take MONTHS to fabricate this, if you had 20 people working 8 hours a day...
rapidshare.com FOI2009.zip
lol, you read it and then give us a summary.
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voodooprophet wrote:J.B. wrote:Well, here it is folks:
THE MOTHER LODE!
These are the documents that were downloaded from the computers of the scientists.
There is NO WAY this can possibly be fake... it would take MONTHS to fabricate this, if you had 20 people working 8 hours a day...
rapidshare.com FOI2009.zip
lol, you read it and then give us a summary.
INSANE.
Also, of note, the constant reference to "the globalisation agenda".
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UPDATE
Michell Malkin and others have picked up the story:
Michell Malkin and others have picked up the story:
When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”. These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:
Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more.
One of the alleged emails has a gentle gloat over the death in 2004 of John L Daly (one of the first climate change sceptics, founder of the Still Waiting For Greenhouse site), commenting: “In an odd way this is cheering news.”
But perhaps the most damaging revelations – the scientific equivalent of the Telegraph’s MPs’ expenses scandal – are those concerning the way Warmist scientists may variously have manipulated or suppressed evidence in order to support their cause.
Here are a few tasters. (So far, we can only refer to them as alleged emails because – though Hadley CRU’s director Phil Jones has confirmed the break-in to Ian Wishart at the Briefing Room – he has yet to fess up to any specific contents.) But if genuine, they suggest dubious practices such as:
Manipulation of evidence:I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.
Private doubts about whether the world really is heating up:
The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.
Suppression of evidence:Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis. Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.
Fantasies of violence against prominent Climate Sceptic scientists:
Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I’ll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted.
Attempts to disguise the inconvenient truth of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP):……Phil and I have recently submitted a paper using about a dozen NH records that fit this category, and many of which are available nearly 2K back–I think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to “contain” the putative “MWP”, even if we don’t yet have a hemispheric mean reconstruction available that far back….
And, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority…
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LEAKED DOCS DOWNLOAD THEM FOR YOURSELF:
rapidshare.com FOI2009.zip
LEAKED DOCS DOWNLOAD THEM FOR YOURSELF:
rapidshare.com FOI2009.zip
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I downloaded this last night. That is lots and lots of data.
I agree it would be a stretch to fake that much stuff.
I agree it would be a stretch to fake that much stuff.

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The planet Jupiter is experiencing "global" warming:
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/04/21_jupiter.shtml
The whole issue of global warming being caused by industrialized nations, and therefore in need of costly "permits" and taxes, is a myth generated or at least supported by Ken Lay's Enron. The idea is to get rid of competition for the industries they control.
Later, and on into the present, various interests have seized a hold of this whole thing for their own reasons.
FROM 2002
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3388
By now, much to the chagrin of my greener friends, it is common knowledge that Enron Corporation was lobbying the Bush administration for highly profitable policies relating to the Kyoto Protocol on global warming. In fact, the tatters of Enron still want the administration to place a cap on carbon dioxide emissions so the company can broker the trading of "permits" to emit carbon dioxide under that cap. The purpose of those permits is to gradually "dial coal out of the economy," increasing its cost relative to natural gas (which emits slightly less carbon dioxide per unit energy than coal). Enron, of course, would be happy to pass the gas through their pipelines after brokering the permits to burn it. So Enron was very big on Kyoto. Company correspondence asserted it would "do more to promote Enron's business" than any other single regulation.
"Big deal," you say. This is just sleazy Washington at its finest, and Enron looks just like another pig at the trough. The eyes of K Street turn from gimlet to glaze.
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Oh, Nowwwww its a debate....
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so... anything irrefutable in those emails?
I'm not defending GW... not by any stretch, just asking the questions.
I'm not defending GW... not by any stretch, just asking the questions.
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voodooprophet wrote:so... anything irrefutable in those emails?
I'm not defending GW... not by any stretch, just asking the questions.
I think there's hundreds of pages of irrefutable evidence at a "conspiracy". Pretty obvious to me.
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J.B. wrote:voodooprophet wrote:so... anything irrefutable in those emails?
I'm not defending GW... not by any stretch, just asking the questions.
I think there's hundreds of pages of irrefutable evidence at a "conspiracy". Pretty obvious to me.
cool deal, then!
lol... "cool". as in Global Cooling. hehehehe.
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You know even if it is not true..this is the one thing that I now see they were using for profits..but this is the one good thing that they put out. I mean I think that we should prevent waste...and we dont have a neverending supply of oil...so we do need to find other ways..well we already have, but of course just one more thing we are lied to about....I guess what I dont understand is why they had to make up something for the fact that there are so many other reasons that we should go green. Ahhh...sorry I am reading more now...this was the excuse so that they can tax them to make money...ahhhh I see now. Its amazing how the world works.
You know I am going to go look for more information on it, but a long time ago my history teacher in college told me about a man named Zimmerman who invented like basically a huge ray gun on the north pole..."totally not making this up"...but anyway this gun basically shot out a fuse of electricity to poles placed all over the world so that we could have wireless electricity..the U.S. was funding the project until they figured out that they could not figure out how to do it while stil making a profit, so they backed out. Zimmerman was shot down so he thought that he would try to make his invention work so that the U.S could see, but he did not calculate the earths gravitational pull and actually without knowlege killed some people who were at the time in war. He never thought it worked, so he gave up on the idea. I guess knowone realized about the mistake until records finally became available after 50 years in other countries and they put together that his ray actually struck this village, and not their enemies at the time...Like I said Ill look it up and try to post a link....but anyway my whole point of the story is that this country has always been about making the profit, and never seems to be interested in conservation...maybe this should have been a red flag to us all along.
You know I am going to go look for more information on it, but a long time ago my history teacher in college told me about a man named Zimmerman who invented like basically a huge ray gun on the north pole..."totally not making this up"...but anyway this gun basically shot out a fuse of electricity to poles placed all over the world so that we could have wireless electricity..the U.S. was funding the project until they figured out that they could not figure out how to do it while stil making a profit, so they backed out. Zimmerman was shot down so he thought that he would try to make his invention work so that the U.S could see, but he did not calculate the earths gravitational pull and actually without knowlege killed some people who were at the time in war. He never thought it worked, so he gave up on the idea. I guess knowone realized about the mistake until records finally became available after 50 years in other countries and they put together that his ray actually struck this village, and not their enemies at the time...Like I said Ill look it up and try to post a link....but anyway my whole point of the story is that this country has always been about making the profit, and never seems to be interested in conservation...maybe this should have been a red flag to us all along.

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Lizzy we would find in the natural order of things other ways to go about it. Not to mention which we haven't even begun to find all the available oil yet let alone make use of it.
By the way we do one hell of a lot of things with oil other than making gasoline and lubricants.
By the way I've only been saying I had serious misgivings about the data we were being giving by the AGW loons for about five years.
By the way we do one hell of a lot of things with oil other than making gasoline and lubricants.
By the way I've only been saying I had serious misgivings about the data we were being giving by the AGW loons for about five years.
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garyd wrote:
By the way I've only been saying I had serious misgivings about the data we were being giving by the AGW loons for about five years.
Well, you were right all along.
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Yeah KFS called me a conspiracy loon over that one. And Seb more or less implied that government scientist were above that sort of thing. Oh and please let's not call them the manstream media any more. If those loons are the mainstream it is time to buy an island and move. My own preference is for alphabet soup media. As in CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, etc.
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Well global warming may not be true, but we are still destroying our planet by using oil as a soul source for most things...so I still cannot completly understand why they had to make something up, well I understand, but why not stay closer to the truth. My boyfriend use to work for a coal mine..so I saw a lot of destruction we caused. The land looked so terrible after they were done...not to mention all of the wildlife that was killed off, and wandering around homeless that the workers would give their lunch too.
We def have to find a better way, but we don't bc of money. Oh and that guy I was talking about earlier was a guy named Tesla that worked with Edison.
Garyd, not arguing with you...cause your right, but I do disagree that there is not a problem with the amount of oil we are using when we have so much more technology out there. I hope that we do not have to find every little last drop, bc there is a lot of destruction that goes with it that could be prevented...and I hope that upon finding out that the scientist were wrong that people will not just assume there is a no holds bar with oil.
We def have to find a better way, but we don't bc of money. Oh and that guy I was talking about earlier was a guy named Tesla that worked with Edison.
Garyd, not arguing with you...cause your right, but I do disagree that there is not a problem with the amount of oil we are using when we have so much more technology out there. I hope that we do not have to find every little last drop, bc there is a lot of destruction that goes with it that could be prevented...and I hope that upon finding out that the scientist were wrong that people will not just assume there is a no holds bar with oil.

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