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Congressional Resolution on Support for Iranian Protestors..

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Congressional Resolution on Support for Iranian Protestors..

Post by PhunkyPhishStyle on Fri 19 Jun 2009, 9:55 pm

Passed 405-1
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll411.xml

Gee - I wonder who that one lone 'nay' was?

I rise in reluctant opposition to H Res 560, which condemns the Iranian government for its recent actions during the unrest in that country. While I never condone violence, much less the violence that governments are only too willing to mete out to their own citizens, I am always very cautious about "condemning" the actions of governments overseas. As an elected member of the United States House of Representatives, I have always questioned our constitutional authority to sit in judgment of the actions of foreign governments of which we are not representatives. I have always hesitated when my colleagues rush to pronounce final judgment on events thousands of miles away about which we know very little. And we know very little beyond limited press reports about what is happening in Iran.

Of course I do not support attempts by foreign governments to suppress the democratic aspirations of their people, but when is the last time we condemned Saudi Arabia or Egypt or the many other countries where unlike in Iran there is no opportunity to exercise any substantial vote on political leadership? It seems our criticism is selective and applied when there are political points to be made. I have admired President Obama's cautious approach to the situation in Iran and I would have preferred that we in the House had acted similarly.

I adhere to the foreign policy of our Founders, who advised that we not interfere in the internal affairs of countries overseas. I believe that is the best policy for the United States, for our national security and for our prosperity. I urge my colleagues to reject this and all similar meddling resolutions.

Congressman Ron Paul
June 19, 2009



So what do you all think? How would you have voted? Hard to argue with the hypocrisy that Paul points out, not to mention it costs time and money to draw up, process, convene and vote on a Resolution. After all, they ultimately aren't an act of law but rather political grandstanding. In addition, if we consider the irrationality of Middle East politics, we may believe that these resolutions don't 'mean much', but to their foreign governments it may be more significant.


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Re: Congressional Resolution on Support for Iranian Protestors..

Post by cheese and whine on Fri 19 Jun 2009, 9:59 pm

What a great man. Man, we would be on the road back to a healthy nation again if Ron Paul was in the Oval office.

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Re: Congressional Resolution on Support for Iranian Protestors..

Post by PhunkyPhishStyle on Fri 19 Jun 2009, 10:02 pm

^ We'd be on the road to a healthy nation if the Oval office just took him seriously.

We don't need him to be President - we just need the President to be more like him.

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Post by J.B. on Fri 19 Jun 2009, 10:48 pm

I swear to god, if Ron Paul moved to an uninhabited island to start a new nation, I would be there the following day to establish his personal security detail and help build the fucking town hall.

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Re: Congressional Resolution on Support for Iranian Protestors..

Post by cheese and whine on Sat 20 Jun 2009, 2:22 am

JB, there would be a lot of people who followed him there, and you can be 100% sure that in 50 years, it would be a far better place than this shithole will be in the next 50 years

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Post by master P on Sat 20 Jun 2009, 3:49 am

Pretty much impossible to argue with Dr. Paul on this one.

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Re: Congressional Resolution on Support for Iranian Protestors..

Post by sayyid412 on Sun 21 Jun 2009, 11:33 pm

Blah blah blah, "hypocracy" is not an excuse for doing the wrong thing instead of the right thing. Ron Paul is a fucking moron. Anywhere people are standing up for their rights to self-government and being slaughtered by a fascist regime, the US should stand up and support them. Period.

The problem with Ron Paul's "let's ignore the outside world" idiocy is that in the last 200 years we've become a global society. It doesn't take 3 months for news from Europe to reach our shores anymore.

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Re: Congressional Resolution on Support for Iranian Protestors..

Post by PhunkyPhishStyle on Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:34 am

sayyid412 wrote:Blah blah blah, "hypocracy" is not an excuse for doing the wrong thing instead of the right thing. Ron Paul is a fucking moron. Anywhere people are standing up for their rights to self-government and being slaughtered by a fascist regime, the US should stand up and support them. Period.

The problem with Ron Paul's "let's ignore the outside world" idiocy is that in the last 200 years we've become a global society. It doesn't take 3 months for news from Europe to reach our shores anymore.


The "US" consists of ~304,000,000 people, sayyid. If they want to stand up and support ANYTHING, they should as individuals, do just that. The real question is whether or not it's the place of a US Rep. to act in such a manner, using taxpayer dollars and valuable time to issue an opinion on events occurring in foreign nations.

And please, you're grasping at straws trying to paint this as Paul saying "Let's ignore the outside world." Don't be a dumbass.

He is also absolutely correct that we don't know for certain about what is occurring in Iran, save a few press reports. Have you watched the news recently? It's the same images shown repeatedly, the same reports rehashed, based on a bunch of unreliable "eyewitness accounts" that have been 'tweeted' or whatever the fuck. Indeed, the images I've seen speak for themselves, but to suggest we even have anything close to a clear idea about what is going on over there is just dead wrong.

The most interesting thing about this resolution is that it, amongst other things, condemns the government for not holding free and democratic elections...IN A FUCKING TOTALITARIAN NATION. Did these 405 members of congress think Iran was a free democracy before the people hit the polls?

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Re: Congressional Resolution on Support for Iranian Protestors..

Post by Chen on Tue 23 Jun 2009, 8:00 pm

The real problem here is that the Congressional Resolution will have the exact opposite effect than what's intended. We are hated over there. Everything our government does gets twisted by their state run media to make us look even worse than we actually are. Iranian citizens who aren't particularly involved in this will be much less inclined to speak out knowing that the great Satan US is on the side of the protesters. Our Congress needs to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that throwing support around in a hostile region tends to have the opposite effect of what you intend. They need to just keep their fucking mouths shut.

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